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vickieverkie · **Posted:** Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:01 am

Vaprak wrote:

In red we have a bar that at best can be mined at only 2 percent and with needing 2k of them that puts the total ap cost at 100,000 ap or 100 usp, and thats just to get the ore which then has to be smelted. Some will say that not all things are to be made possible right away but fact of the matter is with lack of introducing new bars to help lvl mining and miners not being used to mine much anymore there will never be a miner willing to waste the ap and time to get his/her mining high enough to mine at any better rate then 2 percent as the next lowest bar is literally 1/3rd the mining lvl as it if not more. all since the drop rate is not 100 percent, and the drops from the vine snapper unless someone else as received them dont seem to be dropping at all.

2000 bars is about 77.5 usp, I can show the maths if you want but it would be easier if you gave me 80 usps and I could then give you 2000 bars of zydale :wink:

Vaprak · **Posted:** Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:13 am

vickieverkie wrote:

Vaprak wrote:

In red we have a bar that at best can be mined at only 2 percent and with needing 2k of them that puts the total ap cost at 100,000 ap or 100 usp, and thats just to get the ore which then has to be smelted. Some will say that not all things are to be made possible right away but fact of the matter is with lack of introducing new bars to help lvl mining and miners not being used to mine much anymore there will never be a miner willing to waste the ap and time to get his/her mining high enough to mine at any better rate then 2 percent as the next lowest bar is literally 1/3rd the mining lvl as it if not more. all since the drop rate is not 100 percent, and the drops from the vine snapper unless someone else as received them dont seem to be dropping at all.

2000 bars is about 77.5 usp, I can show the maths if you want but it would be easier if you gave me 80 usps and I could then give you 2000 bars of zydale :wink:

doing the maths on this if you have 2k required bars at 2 percent then you are looking at 2 bars on average every 100 ap, so in effect to get 2k bars you have to spend 100000 ap to get them or 100 usp. now we all know 2 percent happens sometimes more and sometimes less then other times, but as i said its average. either way i can tell you i wont be wasting my time with spending this insane amount of usp for this 1 item when i can spend 10-15 and get more stats then the item gives.

vickieverkie · **Posted:** Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:40 am

dont forget skiller smelter amd smelt worker

usually around 375 bars for 250 ap but i have seen 400

Vaprak · **Posted:** Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:46 am

completely wasnt thinking about them, but when you are dealing with extracting 1 ore does it even work, nevermind i dont wanna know too many numbers in my head to early in the morning, im going to sleep in hopes to return and find they have done something with this mess to clean it up

night everyone

FrankNStien · **Posted:** Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:13 pm

Vaprak wrote:

completely wasnt thinking about them, but when you are dealing with extracting 1 ore does it even work, nevermind i dont wanna know too many numbers in my head to early in the morning, im going to sleep in hopes to return and find they have done something with this mess to clean it up

night everyone

In answer to you Q? - Yes, skilled miner does work even on 2% - and you wouldnt be extracting 2 ores but 5 at a time (250 AP hit), With max boost at 55%, yield is a tad over 7.5 so 8 would be most common.

And yes, Iknow its irrelevant as still WAYYY too expensive (not even counting the other items), but, just correcting your figures.

Vaprak · **Posted:** Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:40 am

FrankNStien wrote:

Vaprak wrote:

completely wasnt thinking about them, but when you are dealing with extracting 1 ore does it even work, nevermind i dont wanna know too many numbers in my head to early in the morning, im going to sleep in hopes to return and find they have done something with this mess to clean it up

night everyone

In answer to you Q? - Yes, skilled miner does work even on 2% - and you wouldnt be extracting 2 ores but 5 at a time (250 AP hit), With max boost at 55%, yield is a tad over 7.5 so 8 would be most common.

And yes, Iknow its irrelevant as still WAYYY too expensive (not even counting the other items), but, just correcting your figures.

well as 250 ap hit is huge waste of ap as alot of the time you wont get any bars when doing a 250 ap hit i prefer taking the patient method and doing it 1ap at a time because you tend to get more bars that way, the new figure requires only 100 zydale and i was able to get that in less then 1500 ap doing it 1ap at a time. with skilled miner of course, got 100 bars and smelted that into 160 bars.

Arnvidr · **Posted:** Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:01 am

Vaprak wrote:

FrankNStien wrote:

Vaprak wrote:

completely wasnt thinking about them, but when you are dealing with extracting 1 ore does it even work, nevermind i dont wanna know too many numbers in my head to early in the morning, im going to sleep in hopes to return and find they have done something with this mess to clean it up

night everyone

In answer to you Q? - Yes, skilled miner does work even on 2% - and you wouldnt be extracting 2 ores but 5 at a time (250 AP hit), With max boost at 55%, yield is a tad over 7.5 so 8 would be most common.

And yes, Iknow its irrelevant as still WAYYY too expensive (not even counting the other items), but, just correcting your figures.

well as 250 ap hit is huge waste of ap as alot of the time you wont get any bars when doing a 250 ap hit i prefer taking the patient method and doing it 1ap at a time because you tend to get more bars that way, the new figure requires only 100 zydale and i was able to get that in less then 1500 ap doing it 1ap at a time. with skilled miner of course, got 100 bars and smelted that into 160 bars.

That's hilarious, another win for the RNG if this generally holds true. Mining twice as fast at 1 ap? Epic.

UriahHeap · **Posted:** Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:35 pm

Arnvidr wrote:

Vaprak wrote:

well as 250 ap hit is huge waste of ap as alot of the time you wont get any bars when doing a 250 ap hit i prefer taking the patient method and doing it 1ap at a time because you tend to get more bars that way, the new figure requires only 100 zydale and i was able to get that in less then 1500 ap doing it 1ap at a time. with skilled miner of course, got 100 bars and smelted that into 160 bars.

That's hilarious, another win for the RNG if this generally holds true. Mining twice as fast at 1 ap? Epic.

I suppose you could further improve on this by using mining teamwork, albeit slightly, if you could jam a few culties on the square.

SkallaGrim · **Posted:** Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:07 am

incorrect, mining teamwork does not increase in that manner, it essentially gives your mining level +1 per character on the square, if this were not the case, all one would need would be say 20 culties in order to level mining far more rapidly than anyone else, even though that is already the case via the obscene amount of + mining/smelting gear out there, you would see fractional amounts of ap used to hop the exp gaps, in fact zydale would be the first thing that people would want to mine as they started out, since 20% exp on the highest exp yeilder would be significantly higher than anything in the 500 level range

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